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Thread: Our beloved hobby seems so insignificant....

Posts: 407
posted March 23, 2003 07:36 PM

Our beloved hobby seems so insignificant....

With all that is happening in Iraq. Our brothers and sisters over there defending ours and the worlds freedoms and rights. I wish them well and Godspeed in a safe return.

I can't seem to enjoy my hobbies lately, I am glued to the news about the war. I can't wait till it's over, but I am with them and our President.

God Bless them.

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posted March 24, 2003 06:26 AM

I agree it seems trivial to worry about little hobbies when so much more important things are on our minds.
I hate to see the violence.
I hate to see the killing.
But I also realize that "Blood is Freedoms stain"
Nothing about liberation is easy. Just go look at the Normandy cemetery over in France.
Hopefully one day soon the Iraqi people will be able to live with what I as an American take for granted.


God Bless America!!

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posted March 24, 2003 10:37 AM
Edited By: klaus42 on 24 Mar 2003 10:50

Truly insignificant...in history's forgotten context...

I was wondering when our happy little forum was going to go 'off topic' in this direction... not that it's not understandable, given the circumstances--but it WAS a nice little refuge away from propaganda and fear. Let us not underestimate the role we and our beloved oil-burning obsessions play in the larger picture. It begs the question of what it means to enjoy our standard of living, and implicitly, our responsibilities as freedom-loving Americans. Let us not forget that our very Constitution foretells these times. Don't get me wrong, I wish a swift end to the killing, and a rapid and safe return of our troops... but remember, the first casualty of war is the truth. And we are painfully blind to the lessons of history, as a people. We give something up for everything we gain. Without delving further in this thread, I'd like to refer you to "When Democracy Failed: The Warnings of History" from Thom Hartmann's Newsletter for March 17, 2003
at www.thomhartmann.com
Also quite significant and interesting is Wendell Berry's article on the National Security Strategy; you can find it at www.oriononline.org/pages/om/03-2om/Berry.html
If you prefer, the 35-page NSS complete at
Let us not be divided, lest we be conquered.--K.

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posted March 24, 2003 10:54 AM

The War

I agree about the refuge from the war... In fact if this thread gets too large (say 10-12 posts or the first flame), I'll shut it down. I would like to keep things on topic.

Now with that said, here's a little something we could do to keep dependance on oil from that region down: don't buy your gas from a copmany that uses gulf oil. Do a little research on your favorite gas company, and decide for yourself if you want to support the region, or not. I don't know if it would make a difference, but I do know that my money won't be going to that the mid-east.

Now support our troops, and get outside and work on your trucks, and enjoy the sunlight in our 'free' nation, instead of wasting away infront of CNN.

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posted March 24, 2003 07:20 PM

As a retired military type who volunteered for Desert Shield and Desert Storm, I feel very strongly for the troops who are risking all. I will admit to an uneasy feeling about this one, because of the wide range of potential repercussions. Saddam needs kicked out, and we are the country with the will and the means, but we are not going to have it easy.
As far as buying local oil, be aware that the little guys buy from the big guys, so your favorite station may not be as clean as you would wish.
I received a list via email of the big companies that don't use mideast oil, and they are not represented well here in the Pacific NW. May be problematical. I will just have to settle for supporting the local businessmen. Also note that the key to Iraq paying for more of it's rebuilding as opposed to us paying through taxes, is it has to sell more oil! So if we don't buy, we will still pay.
So does that mean we need to drive our toys more? Hmmm...

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posted March 24, 2003 08:04 PM

I love my country...

I served in the navy and did duty of shore of beruit in 82 on an aircraft carrier, saw a few shipmates die and saw many
body bags containing marines who died for our country. I support our government in this war, but I have read some of the material Klause has presented and when added to what else is going on with our world I am very concerned about our future as a nation and as a people. I urge everyone to support our men and women in iraq fighting for our freedom.
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